The Official Mill Thread

jade · 04-20-05, 20:58

There has been a few recent cards that have strong pontential to do well in a ravegerless format by using mill. Dampen Though is excelent in draft but difficult to use in constructed. Grinding station also has a lot of ways to be used. The question is what will keep you alive in this format long enough to mill your opponet in to the ground. The best two options that I can see are using counters from blue or life gain from white and srtifacts here is the current deck I am working on for mill. The white/green deck recently posted Mr. Durden gave me some good ideas for this deck as well that really hut the likes of muc.

Dosan, the Falling Leaf x3
Sakura-Tribe Elder x4
Eternal Witness x4
Leoin Elder x4
Salvaging Station x4
KCI x4
Grinding Station x4
Chimeric Coils x4
AEther Vial x4
Conjure's Bauble x4
Sunbeam Spellbomb x4
Chrome Mox x2
Land
Forest x9
Plains x6

Sideboard
Scrabbling Claws x4
Ghostly Prison x4
Virdian Zealot x4
Gale Force x3

Lots of good options for control and if youu have completely diffrent mill ideas that could be competive then please post them. March of the machine, along with salvaging station and grinding station plus any one drop artifact goes infinit mill. I think combo could do very well in a control heavy enviorment.

Doctor Teeth · 04-20-05, 21:50

Myr Servitors were built for Grinding Station .... and I saw the most hilarious thing last Friday:

Mill players has one MEsmeric Orb on the board... WW player has some guys

WW player taps 4 to play Hokori, which gets mana leaked with 3 open, he pays it... than swings with like 4 dudes

Mill players untaps, mills, then drops Mesmeric Orbs 2-4 from his hand... WW scoops.

Orb is probably the way to go

jade · 04-20-05, 21:54

Hummm orb is a possibility, especially with things like toils of day and night or mabey even early frost if you decide to go the blue route. that and dampen thought could had to it.

jade · 04-21-05, 21:29

Here are three deck lists which all have mill in mind but go about it in diffrent ways. They are currently without sideboards but the options for each are farely obvious.

Grinding March

March of the Machines x3
Thirst for Knowledge x4
Dosan, the Falling Leaf x2
Eternal Witness x4
Sakura-Tribe Elder x4
Fabricate x2
KCI x4
Grinding Station x2
Salvaging Station x4
Conjure's Bauble x4
AEther Spellbomb x4
AEther Vial x4
Chrome Mox x2
Land
Forest x9
Island x6
Blinkmoth Nexus x2

Lack of Knowledge

Mesmeric Orb x4
Sculpting Steal x4
Condecend x4
Mana Leak x4
Hinder x4
Sakura-Tribe Elder x4
Eternal Witness x4
Fabricate x4
Virdian Zealot x4
AEther Spellbomb x4
Land
Forest x12
Island x8

Tap Much?

Mesmeric Orb x4
Sculpting Steal x4
Fabricate x3
Early Frost x4
Dampen Thought x4
Toils of Day and Night x4
THirst for Knowledge x4
Mana Leak x4
Condecend x4
Vex x4
Chrome Mox x4
Land
Island x17

TheVoid · 04-21-05, 22:45

I hate to sound stupid by posting this if sounds that way. Have everyone forgotten about Millstone... It's an alternate way besides Grinding Station and the other mill cards out there. or just run both in the deck perhaps?

Thonan · 04-21-05, 22:58

I kind of have to agree with Winkle. The thing that makes Grinding Station good (or at least worth losing an artifact over) is the ability to go infinite with it. If you're not going infinite or at least using it several times a turn, Millstone is the better choice.

jade · 04-22-05, 20:05

I have thought about millstone as a possiblity but the card is just not real effective as say grinding station and salvaging station. Mesmeric orb is really quite amazing when you drop two of them and then to sculpting steels when your opponets taps a ton. however i could use millstones in addition to the orbs and they can be sculpted as well.
I still prefer the idea of infinite combo either in mono blue or white green with life gain to back it up. Whcih is really the better choice. Lifegain mil or counter control mill?

Thonan · 04-23-05, 15:28

Counter control, by far. If you can get it out quickly and reliably, you don't have to worry about taking a little early damage. Plus, counters can deal with Extraction and opposing counters, both of which just kill combo decks, and decks that can do some serious damage in the early game, like Big Red and Tooth.

jade · 04-23-05, 21:01

Alright I have gone in a new direction three color. It is farely consistent but I think that I may get rid of whit in favor of some counters main plus two more aether spellbombs. Here is the deck

Green Spells

Sakura-Tribe Elder x4
Eternal Witness x4
Virdian Zealot x4

White Spells

Leoin Elder x4

Blue Spells

Gifts Ungiven x3
Artificer's Intution x3
March of the Machines x2

Artifacts
AEther Vial x4
Conjure's Bauble x4
Sunbeam Spellbomb x2
AEther Spellbomb x2
Chromatic Sphere x2
Wayfarer's x2
Salvaging Station x2
Grinding Station x2

Land

Glimmervoid x2
Forest x7
Island x4
Plains x3

Sideboard

Quash x4
Dosan, the Falling Leaf x2
Hokori, Dust Drinker x1
Time of Need x2
Meloku, the Clouded Mirror x1
Razormane Masticore x1
Salvaging Station x1
Scrabbling Claws x3

TheVoid · 04-23-05, 21:14

Here is the mill deck I came up with please luagh with me because it looks very dumb.

Artifacts:
3 x Millstone
3 x Grinding Station
4 x Wayfarer's Buable
4 x Chrome Mox
4 x Chimeric Coils
3 x Mesmeric Orb
4 x Sensei's Divining Top

Spells:
4 x Thrist For Knowledge
3 x Cranial Extracation
4 x Dampen Thought
4 x Reach Through Mists

Lands:
11 x Island
9 x Swamp

No Side Board yet. So please everyone, this is when you open your mouths and laugh at this build.

)

jade · 04-25-05, 21:07

Winkle, THe build is alright but I think you need to focus on making one kinda mill card work instead of just putting all the mill out there in one deck and hopeing it to work as for me thinking I have and up dated w/u/g/ deck list and also a VERY consistent controling mono blue build.

W/U/G Mill
Spells

Eternal Witness x4
Sakura-Tribe Elder x4
Dosan, The Falling Leaf x1
Time of Need x2
Virdian Zealot x4
Gifts Ungiven x3
March of the Machines x2
Leoin Elder x4
Horoki, Dust Drinker x1
Salvaging Station x2
Grinding Station x2
Wayferer's Bauble x4
AEther Vial x4
AEther Spellbomb x4
Conjure's Bauble x2
Land
Glimmervoid x2
Forest x7
Island x4
Plains x4

Mono-Blue Mill

Aether Spellbomb x4
Wayferer's Bauble x4
Grinding Station x2
Salvaging Station x2
Chrome Mox x4
Thirst for Knowledge x3
Consel of the Soritami x3
March of the Machines x2
Mana Leak x4
Condecend x4
Hinder x2
Rewind x2
Quash x3
Fabricate x2
Land
Island x18

Ladogaboy · 04-26-05, 22:28

Here's a radical idea...

Try Mono White Mill....

4xMesmeric Orb
4xMillstone
4xSculpting Steel
4xStory Circle
4xGhostly Prison
4xEtherial Haze
4xHoly Day
4xWrath of God
2xFinal Judgment
2xSenseis Divining Top
24xPlains

Maybe SB:

4xRitual of Restoration
4xSacred Ground
4xIvory Mask
...???

Eh? Eh? ;-)

jade · 04-27-05, 21:02

The thought had crosed my mind. I am reallying waitin for saviors to come out so I can find some answer in white to cranial and the having them witness for it back. I would say that last slot in the side board should be karma for sure. You should definitly fun some form of mana excel so you can hit wrath on turn three. And did you ever think about rule of law? It could hurt a lot of fast burn decks and arggo beat down. I think beacon of gain lots of life might even have a place in the deck.

On an unrelated note, I have been play testing the above w/u/g mill and have found it to be much improved. It has a tough time agianst muc still. With me only going three out of six. The whole key is for me to vial out Doasn. If that happens I can almost always win the game. Then I can leave aether spellbombs on the field to bounce horki to creat a statis effect. This is great agianst arggo control. Ponza also proves to be somewhat difficult. All I have to do is get a little bit of life gain going long enough to stablize. My sideboard which is at the bottom has been geard toward weenies black and mono red. When i play black I almost always win game one. Once the see the combo they board in cranial. I go and board in 4 quash. As long as I counter crainial I win game two and its all over. T&N has a hard time dealing with my horki combo and I also board in scrabbling claws and quash. Claws gets rid of witness, and quash.... well you get the idea. Anyway here is the side board..............

4 Sunbeam Spellbomb (v.s. red)
2 scrabbling claws (anything with recursion like witness)
1 Razormane Masticore (weenies and an alternate kill)
1 Meloku, the clouded Mirror (also for weenies and an alternate kill)
Quash x4 (mainly for tooth and craneial)
Beacon of Immortality x3 (red and any deck that trys to drag the game out to long)

THoughts??????????????????????

TheVoid · 04-27-05, 23:06

Here is an update on my deck. Its running very smoothly and is very fast while keeping some of its tempo.

The New Deck
Creatures:
2 x Broodstar
4 x Ornithopter
4 x Myr Servitor

Artifacts:
4 x Grinding Station
4 x Mesmeric Orb
4 x Welding jar
4 x Chrome Mox

Spells:
4 x Thrist For Knowldge
4 x Concentrate
4 x Night's Whisper

Lands:
12 x Island
9 x Swamp
1 x Boseiju, Who Shelters All

Beta-Male · 04-28-05, 13:37

oh my god, this thread is making my head hurt from just reading it.

the most successful (and i'm using that phrase very lightly) milling decks as of late have revolved around using ensnaring bridge and mesmeric orb. not that it matters, because the decks are abysmal.

mods, you know where to send this thread.

04-20-05, 20:58	#1
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	The Official Mill Thread There has been a few recent cards that have strong pontential to do well in a ravegerless format by using mill. Dampen Though is excelent in draft but difficult to use in constructed. Grinding station also has a lot of ways to be used. The question is what will keep you alive in this format long enough to mill your opponet in to the ground. The best two options that I can see are using counters from blue or life gain from white and srtifacts here is the current deck I am working on for mill. The white/green deck recently posted Mr. Durden gave me some good ideas for this deck as well that really hut the likes of muc. Dosan, the Falling Leaf x3 Sakura-Tribe Elder x4 Eternal Witness x4 Leoin Elder x4 Salvaging Station x4 KCI x4 Grinding Station x4 Chimeric Coils x4 AEther Vial x4 Conjure's Bauble x4 Sunbeam Spellbomb x4 Chrome Mox x2 Land Forest x9 Plains x6 Sideboard Scrabbling Claws x4 Ghostly Prison x4 Virdian Zealot x4 Gale Force x3 Lots of good options for control and if youu have completely diffrent mill ideas that could be competive then please post them. March of the machine, along with salvaging station and grinding station plus any one drop artifact goes infinit mill. I think combo could do very well in a control heavy enviorment. __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives."

04-20-05, 21:50	#2
Doctor Teeth Wizard Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 134	Myr Servitors were built for Grinding Station .... and I saw the most hilarious thing last Friday: Mill players has one MEsmeric Orb on the board... WW player has some guys WW player taps 4 to play Hokori, which gets mana leaked with 3 open, he pays it... than swings with like 4 dudes Mill players untaps, mills, then drops Mesmeric Orbs 2-4 from his hand... WW scoops. Orb is probably the way to go __________________ in your hand: 8 Chrome Mox 8 Red Cards 1 Decree of Red NO LAND. Not in your hand, not in play, and definately not in your deck. Your board: nothing opponent's board: 6000+ Meddling Mages, collectively naming every Magic card ever printed except Chrome Mox! If you had any other card in place of the Chrome Mox, you would not be able to cycle your Decree of Red and kill all the meddling mages. Irrepressible proof that I have both infinite wisdom and a flawed vocabulary.

04-20-05, 21:54	#3
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	Hummm orb is a possibility, especially with things like toils of day and night or mabey even early frost if you decide to go the blue route. that and dampen thought could had to it. __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives."

04-21-05, 21:29	#4
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	More Mill Ideas Here are three deck lists which all have mill in mind but go about it in diffrent ways. They are currently without sideboards but the options for each are farely obvious. Grinding March March of the Machines x3 Thirst for Knowledge x4 Dosan, the Falling Leaf x2 Eternal Witness x4 Sakura-Tribe Elder x4 Fabricate x2 KCI x4 Grinding Station x2 Salvaging Station x4 Conjure's Bauble x4 AEther Spellbomb x4 AEther Vial x4 Chrome Mox x2 Land Forest x9 Island x6 Blinkmoth Nexus x2 Lack of Knowledge Mesmeric Orb x4 Sculpting Steal x4 Condecend x4 Mana Leak x4 Hinder x4 Sakura-Tribe Elder x4 Eternal Witness x4 Fabricate x4 Virdian Zealot x4 AEther Spellbomb x4 Land Forest x12 Island x8 Tap Much? Mesmeric Orb x4 Sculpting Steal x4 Fabricate x3 Early Frost x4 Dampen Thought x4 Toils of Day and Night x4 THirst for Knowledge x4 Mana Leak x4 Condecend x4 Vex x4 Chrome Mox x4 Land Island x17 __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives."

04-21-05, 22:45	#5
TheVoid I am Nam Nori!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,086	I hate to sound stupid by posting this if sounds that way. Have everyone forgotten about Millstone... It's an alternate way besides Grinding Station and the other mill cards out there. or just run both in the deck perhaps? __________________ 1 roll on a 31337-sided dice: 19737 I own Jon's Soul!

04-21-05, 22:58	#6
Thonan Immortal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 850	I kind of have to agree with Winkle. The thing that makes Grinding Station good (or at least worth losing an artifact over) is the ability to go infinite with it. If you're not going infinite or at least using it several times a turn, Millstone is the better choice.

04-22-05, 20:05	#7
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	I have thought about millstone as a possiblity but the card is just not real effective as say grinding station and salvaging station. Mesmeric orb is really quite amazing when you drop two of them and then to sculpting steels when your opponets taps a ton. however i could use millstones in addition to the orbs and they can be sculpted as well. I still prefer the idea of infinite combo either in mono blue or white green with life gain to back it up. Whcih is really the better choice. Lifegain mil or counter control mill? __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives."

04-23-05, 15:28	#8
Thonan Immortal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 850	Counter control, by far. If you can get it out quickly and reliably, you don't have to worry about taking a little early damage. Plus, counters can deal with Extraction and opposing counters, both of which just kill combo decks, and decks that can do some serious damage in the early game, like Big Red and Tooth.

04-23-05, 21:01	#9
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	Alright I have gone in a new direction three color. It is farely consistent but I think that I may get rid of whit in favor of some counters main plus two more aether spellbombs. Here is the deck Green Spells Sakura-Tribe Elder x4 Eternal Witness x4 Virdian Zealot x4 White Spells Leoin Elder x4 Blue Spells Gifts Ungiven x3 Artificer's Intution x3 March of the Machines x2 Artifacts AEther Vial x4 Conjure's Bauble x4 Sunbeam Spellbomb x2 AEther Spellbomb x2 Chromatic Sphere x2 Wayfarer's x2 Salvaging Station x2 Grinding Station x2 Land Glimmervoid x2 Forest x7 Island x4 Plains x3 Sideboard Quash x4 Dosan, the Falling Leaf x2 Hokori, Dust Drinker x1 Time of Need x2 Meloku, the Clouded Mirror x1 Razormane Masticore x1 Salvaging Station x1 Scrabbling Claws x3 __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives."

04-23-05, 21:14	#10
TheVoid I am Nam Nori!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,086	Here is the mill deck I came up with please luagh with me because it looks very dumb. Artifacts: 3 x Millstone 3 x Grinding Station 4 x Wayfarer's Buable 4 x Chrome Mox 4 x Chimeric Coils 3 x Mesmeric Orb 4 x Sensei's Divining Top Spells: 4 x Thrist For Knowledge 3 x Cranial Extracation 4 x Dampen Thought 4 x Reach Through Mists Lands: 11 x Island 9 x Swamp No Side Board yet. So please everyone, this is when you open your mouths and laugh at this build. ) __________________ 1 roll on a 31337-sided dice: 19737 I own Jon's Soul!

04-25-05, 21:07	#11
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	Winkle, THe build is alright but I think you need to focus on making one kinda mill card work instead of just putting all the mill out there in one deck and hopeing it to work as for me thinking I have and up dated w/u/g/ deck list and also a VERY consistent controling mono blue build. W/U/G Mill Spells Eternal Witness x4 Sakura-Tribe Elder x4 Dosan, The Falling Leaf x1 Time of Need x2 Virdian Zealot x4 Gifts Ungiven x3 March of the Machines x2 Leoin Elder x4 Horoki, Dust Drinker x1 Salvaging Station x2 Grinding Station x2 Wayferer's Bauble x4 AEther Vial x4 AEther Spellbomb x4 Conjure's Bauble x2 Land Glimmervoid x2 Forest x7 Island x4 Plains x4 Mono-Blue Mill Aether Spellbomb x4 Wayferer's Bauble x4 Grinding Station x2 Salvaging Station x2 Chrome Mox x4 Thirst for Knowledge x3 Consel of the Soritami x3 March of the Machines x2 Mana Leak x4 Condecend x4 Hinder x2 Rewind x2 Quash x3 Fabricate x2 Land Island x18 __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives."

04-26-05, 22:28	#12
Ladogaboy Immortal Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 795	Here's a radical idea... Try Mono White Mill.... 4xMesmeric Orb 4xMillstone 4xSculpting Steel 4xStory Circle 4xGhostly Prison 4xEtherial Haze 4xHoly Day 4xWrath of God 2xFinal Judgment 2xSenseis Divining Top 24xPlains Maybe SB: 4xRitual of Restoration 4xSacred Ground 4xIvory Mask ...??? Eh? Eh? ;-)

04-27-05, 21:02	#13
jade Wizard Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 163	The thought had crosed my mind. I am reallying waitin for saviors to come out so I can find some answer in white to cranial and the having them witness for it back. I would say that last slot in the side board should be karma for sure. You should definitly fun some form of mana excel so you can hit wrath on turn three. And did you ever think about rule of law? It could hurt a lot of fast burn decks and arggo beat down. I think beacon of gain lots of life might even have a place in the deck. On an unrelated note, I have been play testing the above w/u/g mill and have found it to be much improved. It has a tough time agianst muc still. With me only going three out of six. The whole key is for me to vial out Doasn. If that happens I can almost always win the game. Then I can leave aether spellbombs on the field to bounce horki to creat a statis effect. This is great agianst arggo control. Ponza also proves to be somewhat difficult. All I have to do is get a little bit of life gain going long enough to stablize. My sideboard which is at the bottom has been geard toward weenies black and mono red. When i play black I almost always win game one. Once the see the combo they board in cranial. I go and board in 4 quash. As long as I counter crainial I win game two and its all over. T&N has a hard time dealing with my horki combo and I also board in scrabbling claws and quash. Claws gets rid of witness, and quash.... well you get the idea. Anyway here is the side board.............. 4 Sunbeam Spellbomb (v.s. red) 2 scrabbling claws (anything with recursion like witness) 1 Razormane Masticore (weenies and an alternate kill) 1 Meloku, the clouded Mirror (also for weenies and an alternate kill) Quash x4 (mainly for tooth and craneial) Beacon of Immortality x3 (red and any deck that trys to drag the game out to long) THoughts?????????????????????? __________________ Current Works Standard "Fun with Dolls" "Instant Oatmeal" "Dimir Mill" Extended Dosan, the Drunken Monk Sliver Bidding "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." "Very few problem can not be solved through use of high explosives." Last edited by jade; 04-27-05 at 21:04..

04-27-05, 23:06	#14
TheVoid I am Nam Nori!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,086	Here is an update on my deck. Its running very smoothly and is very fast while keeping some of its tempo. The New Deck Creatures: 2 x Broodstar 4 x Ornithopter 4 x Myr Servitor Artifacts: 4 x Grinding Station 4 x Mesmeric Orb 4 x Welding jar 4 x Chrome Mox Spells: 4 x Thrist For Knowldge 4 x Concentrate 4 x Night's Whisper Lands: 12 x Island 9 x Swamp 1 x Boseiju, Who Shelters All __________________ 1 roll on a 31337-sided dice: 19737 I own Jon's Soul! Last edited by TheVoid; 04-28-05 at 00:16..

04-28-05, 13:37	#15
Beta-Male Immortal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Slums of Shaolin Posts: 2,433	oh my god, this thread is making my head hurt from just reading it. the most successful (and i'm using that phrase very lightly) milling decks as of late have revolved around using ensnaring bridge and mesmeric orb. not that it matters, because the decks are abysmal. mods, you know where to send this thread. __________________ To quote a great forum saying from MT: I'll try being nicer when you try being smarter.

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